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dvCali



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpf18 wrote:
rigatoni wrote:
What they are currently proposing is outrageous.
Concur, quite onerous, but not surprising given the current political environment, the plan/agenda reads: "The TIMMA Board may periodically adjust the Toll Rate Schedule, ... to meet equity and affordability goals, and meet mode share performance goals of 50% or more at peak periods". So this means TIMMA reserves the right to dial up tolls as they see fit until they count enough bodies taking public transportation.


I think you might be buying a cool-aid if you think that the fee is a tool to ease congestion.

The city is developing a luxury Island, in the same way that it let a luxury China Basin/South of Market develop, and kind of forgot to collect taxes from Facebook, Google, Huber etc ...

Developers will make literally billions at TI, and the fee is not only a slap in the face (why don't they pay for a ferry?) but it makes sure that the luxury Island becomes as gated as possible.

A republican administration could not do better! Good luck trying to reduce the fee for ... windsurfers ...
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radross



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump for the outreach meeting tonight to "share your thoughts." Link below.

Date: Wednesday, Nov 17, 2021
Time: 6 p.m. - 7 p.m. *(Note: Time has changed from our previous email)
Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81853321173
Meeting ID: 818 5332 1173
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job and thank you to everyone who spoke at tonight's meeting.
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dsiskind2



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was mention of two letters at tonight's meeting including one from BCDC does anyone have a link to those letters they could share?
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radross



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great showing of about 35+ windsurfers, kiters and wingers at tonight's remote informational meeting. Big shout out to everyone, and in particular Mac and Andrew Sullivan who spoke on behalf of the SFBA and over 4,000 + boardsailors, for creating momentum to carry us to next meeting before the TIMMA committee meeting on Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 3:00 p.m., and what may be a pivotal meeting of the Treasure Island Mobility Management Agency Board, chaired by Supervisor Haney, on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 9:30 a.m. The meetings are virtual, so easy to attend.

If someone schools me on how to attach PDF's (apparently not an allowed extension?), I can post the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission's letter of November 15, 2021, and the SFBA's letter of November 16, 2021. While the letters are strong, we shall only prevail on having access at TI and elsewhere in the Bay if we show up.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

radross wrote:
Great showing of about 35+ windsurfers, kiters and wingers at tonight's remote informational meeting. Big shout out to everyone, and in particular Mac and Andrew Sullivan who spoke on behalf of the SFBA and over 4,000 + boardsailors, for creating momentum to carry us to next meeting before the TIMMA committee meeting on Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 3:00 p.m., and what may be a pivotal meeting of the Treasure Island Mobility Management Agency Board, chaired by Supervisor Haney, on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 9:30 a.m. The meetings are virtual, so easy to attend.

If someone schools me on how to attach PDF's (apparently not an allowed extension?), I can post the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission's letter of November 15, 2021, and the SFBA's letter of November 16, 2021. While the letters are strong, we shall only prevail on having access at TI and elsewhere in the Bay if we show up.


Thank you for bringing it up here.
You can send me the letter, Ill convert and attach (cosmoecho@gmail.com).
Was about to propose some free converters, but they need something..

And please add the link to the final EIR.

Thanks!
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Riptide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:28 am    Post subject: SFBA Letter Reply with quote

The SFBA letter can be read here at the SFBA website.

https://www.sfba.org/blog
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mac



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the link to the Transportation Section of the FEIR:

https://sftreasureisland.org/ftp/2011%20FEIR/Volume%201%20-%20Chapters%20I-IV.H/14%20-%20IV.E.%20Transportation%20FEIR.pdf

It's a little tricky to find without a targeted search. The relevant section is quoted in the SFBA letter, but I read the whole thing, and the section on Recreation to see if they had put some weasel words in. Didn't find any--which is why I asked them if they had relied on this document to clear their proposed action. Each subsequent action by TIDA needs to either rely on the FEIR (and thus be consistent with it), or develop different CEQA findings. Since adverse impacts on recreation are generally seen as significant impacts, this triggers a new round of CEQA. Something neither the City nor the developer want, if they had actually thought it through.

There is a separate line of legal attack because there is no adverse impact (or only a tiny one) that allows imposition of a fee. While they have a piece of legislation that allows them to establish a transportation program with congestion management, it doesn't exempt them from any other requirement. The law is pretty much short and sweet--it allows, but doesn't pre-empt.

For your information, the new City Attorney used to be a BCDC Commissioner. It couldn't hurt to reach out to him.

Not a lawyer, but played one on TV.
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jpf18



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Jpf—the State Legislature, not the BOS would have to create the authority.

Hi mac and everybody at SFBA and beyond,
Thank you for all the work! Going back to the above, it appears that, like I had thought (but didn't know), that AB 981 already "authorizes the Board of Supervisors and the San Francisco County Transportation Authority, ... , to adopt a congestion pricing program for Treasure Island and Yerba Buena Island" (Final EIR IV.E.25).
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mac



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpf18 wrote:
mac wrote:
Jpf—the State Legislature, not the BOS would have to create the authority.

Hi mac and everybody at SFBA and beyond,
Thank you for all the work! Going back to the above, it appears that, like I had thought (but didn't know), that AB 981 already "authorizes the Board of Supervisors and the San Francisco County Transportation Authority, ... , to adopt a congestion pricing program for Treasure Island and Yerba Buena Island" (Final EIR IV.E.25).



True as far as it goes. But it doesn't exempt them from any of the other legal requirements. Keep watching, more will be revealed.
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