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30knotwind
Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 239 Location: White Salmon, WA
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:14 pm Post subject: Jibe collision, wing vs wind foil |
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If hit by someone who is jibing who is at fault? The hittee, windsurf foil, is astern and leeward by multiple hull lengths in both ways (making them the give-way vessel?). The hitter is a wing, limited visibility and unaware of windsurfer behind, who doesn't dip or raise the wing to look astern before initiating a jibe. Collision damages windsurf board, no injuries. Please provide link to rule if possible. Thx. |
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coachg
Joined: 10 Sep 2000 Posts: 3563
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jiber is at fault; he changed direction. He should have looked behind, seen you there &:
1. Held his course until he could safely jibe.
2. Tacked.
3. Pinched up wind until he could safely jibe.
4. Sped up, steer downwind until safely in front of you then jibe down wind of you.
5. Signaled to you that he wanted to jibe so you could change course & give him room.
https://dbw.parks.ca.gov/pages/28702/files/ABC's_2016_Rulesofthewaterways.pdf
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20945
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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That regulation states "Existing law requires that a complete copy of the inland navigation rules must be kept for reference on board all boats of 39 feet 4 inches (12 meters) or more in length operating on inland waters.".
A good lawyer would argue that it thus applies only to boats over 12 meters, not to our highly maneuverable water toys.
And in our recreational community, how does maritime law stack up to DTL wave sailing "rules", or when the front sailor is approaching shore and HAS to do something, or when the lee/aft sailor is on equipment that can outpinch the frontrunner, or when the sailor in front isn't quite jibing, but sure is turning sharply and often? Such actions invoke the use of such things as camaraderie, watching out for one's self and the other guy, letting people play, intermediates giving up unique hot spots to the folks that can handle them (e.g., a guy who can't jibe shouldn't clog up a spot jampacked by experts, expecting them to avoid his moving roadblock presence), etc ... all of which has been discussed at great length and depth in the past.
Search the forum on "ROW" if you want TMI and even greater confusion. |
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isobars
Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20945
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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That regulation states "Existing law requires that a complete copy of the inland navigation rules must be kept for reference on board all boats of 39 feet 4 inches (12 meters) or more in length operating on inland waters.".
A good lawyer would argue that it thus applies only to boats over 12 meters, not to our highly maneuverable water toys.
And in our recreational community, how does maritime law stack up to DTL wave sailing "rules", or when the front sailor is approaching shore and HAS to do something, or when the lee/aft sailor is on equipment that can outpinch the frontrunner, or when the sailor in front isn't quite jibing, but sure is turning sharply and often? Such actions invoke the use of such things as camaraderie, watching out for one's self and the other guy, letting people play, intermediates giving up unique hot spots to the folks that can handle them (e.g., a guy who can't jibe shouldn't clog up a spot jampacked by experts, expecting them to avoid his moving roadblock presence), etc ... all of which has been discussed at great length and depth in the past.
Search the forum on "ROW" if you want TMI and even greater confusion. |
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isobars
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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C'Mon, iW .. this posting problem has been going for years, despite many complaints to HQ. |
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isobars
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C'Mon, iW .. this posting problem has been going for years, despite many complaints to HQ. |
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isobars
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C'Mon, iW .. this posting problem has been going for years, despite many complaints to HQ. |
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coachg
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:01 am Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | C'Mon, iW .. this posting problem has been going for years, despite many complaints to HQ. |
There is a pothole on my street. It has been there for a long time & I keep complaining to the city to fix it but they have not. But take note; I stopped running over that pothole a long time ago even though it has not been fixed because I know it is there.
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