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| Quote: | NN)Buried in a court filing late Wednesday from the January 6 committee is an explosive email exchange between Greg Jacob, a top lawyer for then-Vice President Mike Pence, and John Eastman, a lawyer who was working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, that absolutely nails the culpability of Eastman in the events of that terrible day.
The email exchange began on January 5, with Eastman attempting to push the idea that Pence had the constitutional authority to reject certain electors from swing states when the votes were counted in Congress the next day.
On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.
"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege."
To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."
Jacob went on:
"Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."
Yes, that's it exactly.
Eastman's infamous memo -- in which he outlined how Pence could overturn the Electoral College results -- was, as Jacob rightly noted, the stuff of debate in a law school class, maybe, but certainly not the framework on which an election should be decided.
And Jacob nails the role the memo -- and Eastman more generally -- played in the run-up to January 6. He handed a drowning man a rope. Trump, in the days and weeks after the election, was desperate to find something, anything that would allow him to make the case that a) he hadn't really lost and b) he could stay on as president.
It was during that same time period that Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to urge him to overturn the results. "All I want to do is this," Trump told Raffensperger. "I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state." Trump was engaged in similar pressure campaigns in other swing states as well.
What's so incredibly damning about the Jacob-Eastman email exchange is that the former is utterly convinced that the latter knows that what he is doing is wrong -- and is doing it anyway, with disastrous consequences for the party.
The image of Eastman as Iago pouring his poison in the ear of Trump's Othello is a powerful one. Especially when you consider that Jacob wasn't some lawyer working for Democrats. He was the chief counsel to the Republican vice president of the United States.
That fact makes his accusations against Eastman all the more powerful. |
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| mac wrote: | | Quote: | NN)Buried in a court filing late Wednesday from the January 6 committee is an explosive email exchange between Greg Jacob, a top lawyer for then-Vice President Mike Pence, and John Eastman, a lawyer who was working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team, that absolutely nails the culpability of Eastman in the events of that terrible day.
The email exchange began on January 5, with Eastman attempting to push the idea that Pence had the constitutional authority to reject certain electors from swing states when the votes were counted in Congress the next day.
On January 6 at 12:14 pm ET, as it was becoming increasingly clear that there was a Trump-inspired riot brewing at the US Capitol, Jacob was unequivocal in his rejection of Eastman's theories.
"I have run down every legal trail placed before me to its conclusion, and I respectfully conclude that as a legal framework, it is a results-oriented position that you would never support if attempted by the opposition, and essentially entirely made up," Jacob wrote Eastman. "And thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege."
To which Eastman responds: "The 'siege' is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so the American people can see for themselves what happened."
In his next response, Jacob drops the hammer: "The advice provided has, whether intended or not, functioned as a serpent in the ear of the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the entire world. And here we are."
Jacob went on:
"Respectfully, it was gravely, gravely irresponsible for you to entice the President with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are."
Yes, that's it exactly.
Eastman's infamous memo -- in which he outlined how Pence could overturn the Electoral College results -- was, as Jacob rightly noted, the stuff of debate in a law school class, maybe, but certainly not the framework on which an election should be decided.
And Jacob nails the role the memo -- and Eastman more generally -- played in the run-up to January 6. He handed a drowning man a rope. Trump, in the days and weeks after the election, was desperate to find something, anything that would allow him to make the case that a) he hadn't really lost and b) he could stay on as president.
It was during that same time period that Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to urge him to overturn the results. "All I want to do is this," Trump told Raffensperger. "I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state." Trump was engaged in similar pressure campaigns in other swing states as well.
What's so incredibly damning about the Jacob-Eastman email exchange is that the former is utterly convinced that the latter knows that what he is doing is wrong -- and is doing it anyway, with disastrous consequences for the party.
The image of Eastman as Iago pouring his poison in the ear of Trump's Othello is a powerful one. Especially when you consider that Jacob wasn't some lawyer working for Democrats. He was the chief counsel to the Republican vice president of the United States.
That fact makes his accusations against Eastman all the more powerful. |
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thanks for posting... i certainly am too busy to have found something like that....
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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2656969223/?cx_testId=4&cx_testVariant=cx_undefined&cx_artPos=1&cx_experienceId=EXC93HV4HK4I#cxrecs_s
Jan. 6 evidence so strong that not even a Trump-supporting juror could refuse to convict: legal experts
| Quote: | The recent guilty verdict against the first Jan. 6 insurrectionist to stand trial shows that a jury would have no trouble convicting Donald Trump for his own role in fomenting the violence, according to a pair of legal experts.
A jury took only three hours to convict Guy Reffitt on five counts, including obstruction of an official proceeding and interfering with police in a riot, and legal experts Laurence Tribe and Dennis Aftergut argued in a new column for The Guardian that the evidence satisfies all statutory requirements to convict the former president of conspiring to defraud the United States and obstructing a congressional proceeding.
"The mountain of already public evidence would surely lead a [District of Columbia] jury to reject Trump’s defense that that he honestly believed his own 'big lie' that widespread ballot fraud had deprived him of victory, and therefore that his intent was innocent," the pair wrote.
Trump knew that 60-plus court challenges to his loss had failed, five of his own officials told him unequivocally that his fraud claims were false and Georgia’s secretary of state Brad Raffensperger told him the same thing -- and Trump still pressed him to "find" exactly one more vote that he needed to overturn that state's election results.
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"That call alone screams 'corrupt' intent," Tribe and Aftergut wrote. "And the barely veiled way Trump threatened Raffensperger in that call reinforces Trump’s 'evil' state of mind."
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Trump told a provable and telling lie during his speech before the riot by telling his supporters he would join them in a march on the Capitol, which he made no plans to do, and Tribe and Aftergut argued that further proved his corrupt intent.
"A properly instructed jury would likely conclude that this lie reflected Trump’s desire to remain far from the violence he had encouraged, giving him both physical safety and plausible deniability and further evidencing a 'corrupt' state of mind," they wrote.
The former president then waited for three hours to call off his rampaging supporters, despite the violence playing out on television screens and entreaties from family members and allies to speak out, and he called the rioters "patriots" and justified their grievance when he finally did issue a statement.
"A federal judge wrote in an 18 February opinion that 'a reasonable observer could read that tweet as ratifying the violence and other illegal acts that took place that day,'" Tribe and Aftergut wrote.
The pair also knocked down Trump's possible defenses of "willful ignorance" and "innocent intent," saying that evidence plainly showed he knew his fraud claims were false and that legal advice from attorney John Eastman was unreasonable.
"Far from being reasonable, Eastman’s claim that [former vice president Mike] Pence was 'the ultimate arbiter' of the electoral count was utter 'nonsense,'" they wrote. "Trump would be unable to produce any lawyer who supported that constitutionally absurd theory and could withstand even amateur cross-examination."
Tribe and Aftergut don't even believe a single Trump supporter could refuse to convict.
"Jurors are instructed to use their common sense, and the jury in Reffitt did just that," they wrote.: "A DC jury would do the same in a trial of the conspiracy’s central actor. Once all the evidence is expeditiously gathered, with or without the special counsel that we recommend, the Justice Department must indict him." |
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| The orange complexion in an orange suit. Perfect. |
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7 Hour gap in phone records!
“The only time there should be a seven-hour gap is when you’re trying to remember what happened on St. Patrick’s Day,” Jimmy Fallon said.
“Seven hours. I don’t know if anyone else is a fan of the show ‘Dateline,’ but if your phone records are missing even 10 minutes, you’re guilty,” Jimmy Fallon said.
“Instead, for all of those hours, all the White House phone records just say, ‘Scam likely.’” — STEPHEN COLBERT
“Even the ghost of Richard Nixon is like, ‘I don’t think you can do that.’” — JIMMY FALLON
Oh, I know, he was busy trying to finish his "we love you" insurrectionist video and they makeup sprayer ran out of orange powder! |
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/matters-dojs-jan-6-probe-appears-widening-rcna22359?cid=eml_mra_20220331&user_email=e73377d3e40790eecbf6a99203e1476ea2a23c644c2045abd739b8f9e629a73b
Why it matters that the DOJ’s Jan. 6 probe appears to be widening
The more the Justice Department “substantially widens” its Jan. 6 investigation, the more Donald Trump and his allies have cause for concern.
| Quote: | What’s more, this is not the only revelation of note. The Washington Post also reported overnight:
The criminal investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has expanded to examine the preparations for the rally that preceded the riot.... In the past two months, a federal grand jury in Washington has issued subpoena requests to some officials in former president Donald Trump’s orbit who assisted in planning, funding and executing the Jan. 6 rally, said the people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. |
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Matt Perna strolled into the capitol through open doors, escorted in by a cop (it's all on video). He strolled around the building, touching nothing, carrying nothing, doing nothing more than looking in awe at the magnificent building, hoping to hear that the election had gone the way he wanted. Facing years in prison, he committed suicide.
MANY violent felons around the country, including murderers, rapists, and child molestors, were released from jail within days by liberal judges, with the active support of Vice President Kamala "Chuckles" Harris and her No Bail efforts.
It pays, big time, to be a violent felon in progressive cities, because that makes them the victims, especially if their skin is darker than that of a Swedish librarian in Seattle. On the bright side and if there's any justice in the land, that is highly likely to contribute to a massive reversal in legislative power this fall. |
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| isobars wrote: | Matt Perna strolled into the capitol through open doors, escorted in by a cop (it's all on video). He strolled around the building, touching nothing, carrying nothing, doing nothing more than looking in awe at the magnificent building, hoping to hear that the election had gone the way he wanted. Facing years in prison, he committed suicide.
MANY violent felons around the country, including murderers, rapists, and child molestors, were released from jail within days by liberal judges, with the active support of Vice President Kamala "Chuckles" Harris and her No Bail efforts.
It pays, big time, to be a violent felon in progressive cities, because that makes them the victims, especially if their skin is darker than that of a Swedish librarian in Seattle. On the bright side and if there's any justice in the land, that is highly likely to contribute to a massive reversal in legislative power this fall. |
He should have chose another day for his "stroll" but was egged on by an egotistical loser.
Go back on your meds! |
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